Transcript

John

Hello, this is a Rock House Center podcast and I'm John Murphy.

Beth

And I'm Beth Murphy.

John

Today we're talking about another aspect of the take it back problem, and really probably something that's deeper and the at the root of that it's become really clear and a lot of times these things hit me first and I have to wrestle with them personally.

And then I really kind of get the feel for what the wrestle wrestling is about, and then it allows.

An opportunity to then start to share with others, so probably a couple of months ago.

I've been on a fairly.

Long track of praying God the God helped me trust him completely and I think maybe they may have come out of that.

But in the last about two months ago, it was clear that I was starting to feel some disease and some discomfort, and I kind of pressed into that.

And what was I feeling and what I was feeling was a sense.

Of loss, which was so interesting and kind of almost a grieving kind of thing that was going on about my relationship with the Lord and what was interesting is that I dug into it and in conversation with the Lord it became clear that what I was doing was grieving my loss of independence.

Such is so interesting, but it is.

It is it is the essence of why.

The desire to be independent and ultimately be free at some point.

Is really behind a lot of the take it back thing.

I think there's a.

There's an anticipation there's a there's an expectation that once we reach a certain level of spiritual maturity that there's going to be a level of independence with it that we will have internalized all the things we need to about God and our relationship with God will be the Energizer Bunny.

We'll be at peace and that will be on our purpose and we'll just be moving forward and it's going to be this sense of I'm kind of God in my universe.

But the but that goes completely against everything.

That has to do with a healthy, powerful relationship with God.

We have to understand that the greatest level of well being a human can have is the degree to which they're completely dependent on God for peace.

So there's no independence in that.

But there is a desire, probably stirred up by the flesh, to try to balance out somehow that I am going to maintain this freedom.

That's this freedom vision for myself as a spiritual person and the reality of is that that's the exact opposite of what's going on.

And I think that what we find when.

Our conversations sort of develop with clients who are having a trouble with taking back some of the burdens of life and therefore feeling the burden and coming in, needing a tune up, for instance that as a as I have talked to them over the last couple of.

I've come to see that this underlying tendency and desire is really feeding this, uh, a lot of us take it back.

Beth

John has had these realizations, and they spilled over and I've been having concurrent realizations with the Lord.

It occurred to me that I and I think probably most of us have a built in expectation that as you mature, you become more independent.

So as a child matures you become more independent from your parents and ultimately you are independent.

And that that's

John

That's the track.

Beth

Tantamount to that subtract, that's what maturity is, and so we've.

Without realizing it, probably I think most of us have smeared that over into our relationship with the Lord, and that as I mature spiritually I will need him less and less, and that's why we say things like, well, I've been a believer for X number of years.

I should know that I shouldn't still be doing this.

I should understand that I shouldn't still need to depend on that.

Why do I have to keep going back to God for this?

And you know, counselors we, in our role as counselors, if we're not careful, we'll fall into that same thing where the enemy is basically telling us, you know, you shouldn't have that.

Problem and you shouldn't need God in that area.

You know this is what you help clients with.

And so you should have arrived and so.

Right in there is a giant big old life that arriving would be.

Less dependent on God, separate from him and.

You know, I'm powered up in my own spiritual strength and righteousness, when in fact the exact opposite is what's true.

Greater spiritual maturity means greater and deeper dependence on the Lord.

John

Yeah, I think that the we have to look at the track of our existence and it starts off with being born into a situation where we're dependent on our parents for basic needs for their food and clothing and shelter and so.

4th and So what is supposed to be developing?

There is a level of dependency on a trustworthy person on a trustworthy entity, and so this is the opportunity to grow and trust and grow independency and be at peace about that.

And then as we're growing older and it doesn't always work out, a lot of families because people are imperfect humans.

They're not going to.

Do it the way God does it.

Once it's done necessarily.

But as we grow and have greater emotional dependency on, for instance, for worth and to be valued and to be loved, and those things that are really have to do with our heart and how we feel about ourselves.

We're supposed to grow if we you know we can't always.

In the family situation, but the design is for us to develop dependency on those things from our parents as well.

But then we move in up to the next level of dependency where we're supposed to be ultimately dependent on God.

So in each case we move off of our parents dependency for the basic.

Needs of life as a point at which they stop beating us.

They stop giving us milk.

We get our own milk.

Then we move into the emotional side of things.

Then we have and the other sort of more mature things like I need a car.

I need to go to school or depending we're depending we're depending.

We have peace onto that to the degree that we are able to depend.

But then that dependency shifts.

There's not like a OK.

I can get free and become independent.

There's no independent from a spiritual perspective segment of this journey.

The dependency is we're supposed to be growing a level of dependency and are in trust that was ultimately shifts on God for ultimate dependency and ultimate trust, so there was never a time.

In which we were supposed to be free and be independent.

From her perspective about what our spiritual needs are, divine needs of self worth and peace about life and assurance and purpose, and all those kinds of things.

So we are born into a track which is supposed to be building us towards dependency ultimately on God, which means that we and we are there are stages which we are no longer dependent on.

It's our parents for the basic stuff and then necessarily for the emotional stuff and then the community, community aspects.

Then we move on to a spouse and then so there's just a thing that we have to understand that the idea of being free is great for a country who wants to be, you know, to worship in the way they want to worship, which is how.

Why the US was founded?

But the and be free of people who make us do things we don't want to do and have ogre's over us and tyrants over us and all kinds of you know, negative influences over us.

Certainly being free of those things, but it's really clear.

And if you read John but in the back of John, the.

The passage is just as Christ is talking about how he.

How he relates to his father in Oneness, and the desire for oneness.

And it's all about one.

Beth

John 17.

John

The word want.

Yeah, John said there the oneness.

Is the track the one this is the end goal that I missed?

Clearly what Christ was trying to accomplish was he just kept saying let's bring them into one.

Let's bring them in the one this you hold on to them and help them stay in one.

Yes, I'm going to pray for him so they'll stay in oneness.

Beth

Whole abiding thing and that.

And that's more and more dependence.

Deeper place connecting with God, the opposite of the things that some have been taught that you shouldn't go to God for small things you should be able to do to handle all these things yourself.

Right?

That's totally against the relationship that.

Jesus had with his father and what he's depicting as what he's leaving for us to connect to God through the Holy Spirit that he left behind.

As our way to stay in this place of deep, abiding oneness as a way of life, your every breath your every step you take is dependent on God.

Beth

It's the only reason why we're going to be here later on.

Beth

Today is cause God chosen to allow us all to still be here later on today and we want to be in that level of recognition of dependence.

Beth

On him for all of our well being in every aspect of our lives.

Beth

And that's where the real peace comes from.

John

Yeah, it's and remember that's piece about those things.

John

You know it's not the thing itself.

John

It's not the actual, not the job.

John

It's piece about provision.

John

You know it's.

John

But to be clear that what we're talking about here is that some people will feel like that peace is getting the thing that they think will give them peace.

John

And what we're talking about is God's idea of peace, which is it's about depending on me. And it's not, yeah, and that makes us also. And if what we want is independence from the world.

Beth

That's when we arrive.

Beth

That's when we get the real peace.

John

Because dependence on the world is brings the burden.

John

So God is saying that I'm going to relieve you of that burden.

John

You take my light yoke of the recognition of Christ as my son, but the burden of life is going is now going to be on me is that's the opportunity.

John

But you're going to have to depend on me and trust me with it, or the burden is still on you.

John

And another interesting thing is that you sort of think about as you're going through life.

John

Where is all this going?

John

Well, ultimately you know there's a time aware of this.

John

Earth suit checks out and our spirit is remaining, and people wonder about what is that experience going to be like at the end of life.

John

And I can say very it's really clear also, in this thinking is I thought about.

John

Where this is all going is that the degree to which you depend on, nothing from the earth, nothing from the physical world, and you're totally dependent on God.

John

As you wrote up, reach approach the end of your life.

John

There's no question that the whole end of life situation is going to feel very different and can be very peaceful, but if I'm still hanging onto my independence.

John

And I have these things which I use to keep me independent, and that's where my peace is residing the end of life is not necessarily going to be all that comfortable.

Beth

So that whole from start to finish, you know.

Beth

That's how God has set us up is to move into a place of trusting him, hopefully through the representation of our parents.

Beth

But when that's not available then he is tender hearted and kind and merciful and does it directly and what he wants the end game for him for us.

Beth

Is this place of ever increasing dependency?

Beth

So going back to the beginning of just kind of where we started this?

Beth

You can see we're thinking about all this now.

Beth

A person who's.

Beth

In the program at Rock house Center or has completed and moved on as on their transformation journey.

Beth

Going forward we all we hit these things in life.

Beth

We hit challenges, sad things, hard, difficult things and or even celebrations one way or another.

Beth

Though our flesh is always.

Beth

Pulling us in the direction of taking, taking back, relying on myself, looking to myself for the answers and moving away from God and the taking it back, taking control, which results in taking on the burden as well, is resolved by recognizing that that's what's going on and reconnecting with God.

Beth

So just repenting of doing that and asking him to pull your heart back to him, make your will line up with his and help you get to a deeper place of trusting him like never.

John

Before, yeah, I think that the prayer around it would be first rejecting the lie.

John

That that that independence is the basis of well being and declaring the truth.

John

That dependence is the that basis.

John

And we also are going to need God strength as always his case. He says he gives us the energy and the desire to will and to work and to delight in him. And we need God's energy and.

John

And desire to be free of the burdens that come from independence.

John

And also to connect with us in a way in which we can appreciate how much he loves and may want to please him.

John

And we want to honor him in our lives and honoring him in our lives.

John

It's the only entity that you can come up with who is honored by being given burdens.

John

It's basically you're declaring a trust, and that is then it actually increases the glory God dwells in.

John

So this is all positive this we just have to understand that there is a withholding.

John

Uh, holding back that the flesh is always going to have and are always going to be expressing, trying to urge us to pull away from God or just to trust in the thing that we just received.

John

You know, if you got some big inheritance, check the flesh will get you to want to start trusting in the money that's in your bank rather than the.

John

Trusting in God for provision zero in all of those when all those things come up, we have to always be careful to check where do we get our peace from?

John

And that's a that's a healthy thing to advance the relationship.

John

The Lord.

Beth

I think then this is our opportunity to close this with a prayer.

John

Yeah, let's close in prayer O for those of you who are feeling this, and maybe I'll just start with their so Holy Spirit.

John

I just ask that you would show the people who are listening now where in their heart.

John

Do they feel that sense of need to be independent that there's a drive there that they're that the justification for independence?

John

Might be stirring as a way to pull back from God and not trust him with everything, or I just asked that she would reveal that place.

John

Reveal that sense if that is present in their heart Lord and just bring that conviction so we can.

John

Pray about it.

John

O here's the prayer.

John

Haley father, I reject the lie that I can ever have the piece that you want for me by being independent of you, Lord, I declare the truth that it is your desire and your plan for me to be completely dependent on you to roll all the burdens of life on you.

John

File out to clear the truth at the greatest, the highest state of well being.

John

And peace is going to come from absolute dependence on you for to fill all of my divine need.

John

Lord, forgive me for any ways in which I have sought things in the world to replace you at.

John

Replace your piece and replace your presence in my life.

John

Lord, heal me of the ways in which I have succumbed to this lion have believed it in this struggles that it's created in my heart, Lord, and please give me the strength Father too.

John

Resist the desire of my flesh to return to this law as a valid way of doing life and your Kingdom as one of your people.

John

Just pray all these things in the name of your son.

John

Jesus Amen, Amen.

John

So that's the question, and that's the and that's the solution.

John

The question is the poll for independence addressing it, making sure that it doesn't disrupt your relationship with the Lord, making sure that it doesn't talk you into taking back burdens you are already released and in the prayer there to try to.

John

Just really to rely on God to help us minimize that Poland to strengthen his pole for greater healthy dependency.

John

So I hope this was helpful.

John

Thanks for listening.

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Transcript

John Murphy

Hello, this is a Rock House Center podcast and I'm John Murphy.

Beth Murphy

And I'm Beth Murphy.

John Murphy

Today we're talking about another aspect of the take it back problem, and really probably something that's deeper and the at the root of that it's become really clear and a lot of times these things hit me first and I have to wrestle with them personally.

John Murphy

And then I really kind of get the feel for what the wrestle wrestling is about, and then it allows.

John Murphy

An opportunity to then start to share with others, so probably a couple of months ago.

John Murphy

I've been on a fairly.

John Murphy

Long track of praying God the God helped me trust him completely and I think maybe they may have come out of that.

John Murphy

But in the last about two months ago, it was clear that I was starting to feel some disease and some discomfort, and I kind of pressed into that.

John Murphy

And what was I feeling and what I was feeling was a sense.

John Murphy

Of loss, which was so interesting and kind of almost a grieving kind of thing that was going on about my relationship with the Lord and what was interesting is that I dug into it and in conversation with the Lord it became clear that what I was doing was grieving my loss of independence.

John Murphy

Such is so interesting, but it is.

John Murphy

It is it is the essence of why.

John Murphy

The desire to be independent and ultimately be free at some point.

John Murphy

Is really behind a lot of the take it back thing.

John Murphy

I think there's a.

John Murphy

There's an anticipation there's a there's an expectation that once we reach a certain level of spiritual maturity that there's going to be a level of independence with it that we will have internalized all the things we need to about God and our relationship with God will be the Energizer Bunny.

John Murphy

We'll be at peace and that will be on our purpose and we'll just be moving forward and it's going to be this sense of I'm kind of God in my universe.

John Murphy

But the but that goes completely against everything.

John Murphy

That has to do with a healthy, powerful relationship with God.

John Murphy

We have to understand that the greatest level of well being a human can have is the degree to which they're completely dependent on God for peace.

John Murphy

So there's no independence in that.

John Murphy

But there is a desire, probably stirred up by the flesh, to try to balance out somehow that I am going to maintain this freedom.

John Murphy

That's this freedom vision for myself as a spiritual person and the reality of is that that's the exact opposite of what's going on.

John Murphy

And I think that what we find when.

John Murphy

Our conversations sort of develop with clients who are having a trouble with taking back some of the burdens of life and therefore feeling the burden and coming in, needing a tune up, for instance that as a as I have talked to them over the last couple of.

John Murphy

I've come to see that this underlying tendency and desire is really feeding this, uh, a lot of us take it back.

Beth Murphy

Stuff, and so as.

Beth Murphy

John has had these realizations, and they spilled over and I've been having concurrent realizations with the Lord.

Beth Murphy

It occurred to me that I and I think probably most of us have a built in expectation that as you mature, you become more independent.

Beth Murphy

So as a child matures you become more independent from your parents and ultimately you are independent.

Beth Murphy

And that that's

John Murphy

That's the track.

Beth Murphy

Tantamount to that subtract, that's what maturity is, and so we've.

Beth Murphy

Without realizing it, probably I think most of us have smeared that over into our relationship with the Lord, and that as I mature spiritually I will need him less and less, and that's why we say things like, well, I've been a believer for X number of years.

Beth Murphy

I should know that I shouldn't still be doing this.

Beth Murphy

I should understand that I shouldn't still need to depend on that.

Beth Murphy

Why do I have to keep going back to God for this?

Beth Murphy

And you know, counselors we, in our role as counselors, if we're not careful, we'll fall into that same thing where the enemy is basically telling us, you know, you shouldn't have that.

Beth Murphy

Problem and you shouldn't need God in that area.

Beth Murphy

You know this is what you help clients with.

Beth Murphy

And so you should have arrived and so.

Beth Murphy

Right in there is a giant big old life that arriving would be.

Beth Murphy

Less dependent on God, separate from him and.

Beth Murphy

You know, I'm powered up in my own spiritual strength and righteousness, when in fact the exact opposite is what's true.

Beth Murphy

Greater spiritual maturity means greater and deeper dependence on the Lord.

John Murphy

Yeah, I think that the we have to look at the track of our existence and it starts off with being born into a situation where we're dependent on our parents for basic needs for their food and clothing and shelter and so.

John Murphy

4th and So what is supposed to be developing?

John Murphy

There is a level of dependency on a trustworthy person on a trustworthy entity, and so this is the opportunity to grow and trust and grow independency and be at peace about that.

John Murphy

And then as we're growing older and it doesn't always work out, a lot of families because people are imperfect humans.

John Murphy

They're not going to.

John Murphy

Do it the way God does it.

John Murphy

Once it's done necessarily.

John Murphy

But as we grow and have greater emotional dependency on, for instance, for worth and to be valued and to be loved, and those things that are really have to do with our heart and how we feel about ourselves.

John Murphy

We're supposed to grow if we you know we can't always.

John Murphy

In the family situation, but the design is for us to develop dependency on those things from our parents as well.

John Murphy

But then we move in up to the next level of dependency where we're supposed to be ultimately dependent on God.

John Murphy

So in each case we move off of our parents dependency for the basic.

John Murphy

Needs of life as a point at which they stop beating us.

John Murphy

They stop giving us milk.

John Murphy

We get our own milk.

John Murphy

Then we move into the emotional side of things.

John Murphy

Then we have and the other sort of more mature things like I need a car.

John Murphy

I need to go to school or depending we're depending we're depending.

John Murphy

We have peace onto that to the degree that we are able to depend.

John Murphy

But then that dependency shifts.

John Murphy

There's not like a OK.

John Murphy

I can get free and become independent.

John Murphy

There's no independent from a spiritual perspective segment of this journey.

John Murphy

The dependency is we're supposed to be growing a level of dependency and are in trust that was ultimately shifts on God for ultimate dependency and ultimate trust, so there was never a time.

John Murphy

In which we were supposed to be free and be independent.

John Murphy

From her perspective about what our spiritual needs are, divine needs of self worth and peace about life and assurance and purpose, and all those kinds of things.

John Murphy

So we are born into a track which is supposed to be building us towards dependency ultimately on God, which means that we and we are there are stages which we are no longer dependent on.

John Murphy

It's our parents for the basic stuff and then necessarily for the emotional stuff and then the community, community aspects.

John Murphy

Then we move on to a spouse and then so there's just a thing that we have to understand that the idea of being free is great for a country who wants to be, you know, to worship in the way they want to worship, which is how.

John Murphy

Why the US was founded?

John Murphy

But the and be free of people who make us do things we don't want to do and have ogre's over us and tyrants over us and all kinds of you know, negative influences over us.

John Murphy

Certainly being free of those things, but it's really clear.

John Murphy

And if you read John but in the back of John, the.

John Murphy

The passage is just as Christ is talking about how he.

John Murphy

How he relates to his father in Oneness, and the desire for oneness.

John Murphy

And it's all about one.

Beth Murphy

John 17.

John Murphy

The word want.

John Murphy

Yeah, John said there the oneness.

John Murphy

Is the track the one this is the end goal that I missed?

John Murphy

Clearly what Christ was trying to accomplish was he just kept saying let's bring them into one.

John Murphy

Let's bring them in the one this you hold on to them and help them stay in one.

John Murphy

Yes, I'm going to pray for him so they'll stay in oneness.

Beth Murphy

Whole abiding thing and that.

Beth Murphy

And that's more and more dependence.

Beth Murphy

Deeper place connecting with God, the opposite of the things that some have been taught that you shouldn't go to God for small things you should be able to do to handle all these things yourself.

Right?

Beth Murphy

That's totally against the relationship that.

Beth Murphy

Jesus had with his father and what he's depicting as what he's leaving for us to connect to God through the Holy Spirit that he left behind.

Beth Murphy

As our way to stay in this place of deep, abiding oneness as a way of life, your every breath your every step you take is dependent on God.

Beth Murphy

It's the only reason why we're going to be here later on.

Beth Murphy

Today is 'cause God chosen to allow us all to still be here later on today and we want to be in that level of recognition of dependence.

Beth Murphy

On him for all of our well being in every aspect of our lives.

Beth Murphy

And that's where the real peace comes from.

John Murphy

Yeah, it's and remember that's piece about those things.

John Murphy

You know it's not the thing itself.

John Murphy

It's not the actual, not the job.

John Murphy

It's piece about provision.

John Murphy

You know it's.

John Murphy

But to be clear that what we're talking about here is that some people will feel like that peace is getting the thing that they think will give them peace.

John Murphy

And what we're talking about is God's idea of peace, which is it's about depending on me. And it's not, yeah, and that makes us also. And if what we want is independence from the world.

Beth Murphy

That's when we arrive.

Beth Murphy

That's when we get the real peace.

John Murphy

Because dependence on the world is brings the burden.

John Murphy

So God is saying that I'm going to relieve you of that burden.

John Murphy

You take my light yoke of the recognition of Christ as my son, but the burden of life is going is now going to be on me is that's the opportunity.

John Murphy

But you're going to have to depend on me and trust me with it, or the burden is still on you.

John Murphy

And another interesting thing is that you sort of think about as you're going through life.

John Murphy

Where is all this going?

John Murphy

Well, ultimately you know there's a time aware of this.

John Murphy

Earth suit checks out and our spirit is remaining, and people wonder about what is that experience going to be like at the end of life.

John Murphy

And I can say very it's really clear also, in this thinking is I thought about.

John Murphy

Where this is all going is that the degree to which you depend on, nothing from the earth, nothing from the physical world, and you're totally dependent on God.

John Murphy

As you wrote up, reach approach the end of your life.

John Murphy

There's no question that the whole end of life situation is going to feel very different and can be very peaceful, but if I'm still hanging onto my independence.

John Murphy

And I have these things which I use to keep me independent, and that's where my peace is residing the end of life is not necessarily going to be all that comfortable.

Beth Murphy

So that whole from start to finish, you know.

Beth Murphy

That's how God has set us up is to move into a place of trusting him, hopefully through the representation of our parents.

Beth Murphy

But when that's not available then he is tender hearted and kind and merciful and does it directly and what he wants the end game for him for us.

Beth Murphy

Is this place of ever increasing dependency?

Beth Murphy

So going back to the beginning of just kind of where we started this?

Beth Murphy

You can see we're thinking about all this now.

Beth Murphy

A person who's.

Beth Murphy

In the program at Rock house Center or has completed and moved on as on their transformation journey.

Beth Murphy

Going forward we all we hit these things in life.

Beth Murphy

We hit challenges, sad things, hard, difficult things and or even celebrations one way or another.

Beth Murphy

Though our flesh is always.

Beth Murphy

Pulling us in the direction of taking, taking back, relying on myself, looking to myself for the answers and moving away from God and the taking it back, taking control, which results in taking on the burden as well, is resolved by recognizing that that's what's going on and reconnecting with God.

Beth Murphy

So just repenting of doing that and asking him to pull your heart back to him, make your will line up with his and help you get to a deeper place of trusting him like never.

John Murphy

Before, yeah, I think that the prayer around it would be first rejecting the lie.

John Murphy

That that that independence is the basis of well being and declaring the truth.

John Murphy

That dependence is the that basis.

John Murphy

And we also are going to need God strength as always his case. He says he gives us the energy and the desire to will and to work and to delight in him. And we need God's energy and.

John Murphy

And desire to be free of the burdens that come from independence.

John Murphy

And also to connect with us in a way in which we can appreciate how much he loves and may want to please him.

John Murphy

And we want to honor him in our lives and honoring him in our lives.

John Murphy

It's the only entity that you can come up with who is honored by being given burdens.

John Murphy

It's basically you're declaring a trust, and that is then it actually increases the glory God dwells in.

John Murphy

So this is all positive this we just have to understand that there is a withholding.

John Murphy

Uh, holding back that the flesh is always going to have and are always going to be expressing, trying to urge us to pull away from God or just to trust in the thing that we just received.

John Murphy

You know, if you got some big inheritance, check the flesh will get you to want to start trusting in the money that's in your bank rather than the.

John Murphy

Trusting in God for provision zero in all of those when all those things come up, we have to always be careful to check where do we get our peace from?

John Murphy

And that's a that's a healthy thing to advance the relationship.

John Murphy

The Lord.

Beth Murphy

I think then this is our opportunity to close this with a prayer.

John Murphy

Yeah, let's close in prayer O for those of you who are feeling this, and maybe I'll just start with their so Holy Spirit.

John Murphy

I just ask that you would show the people who are listening now where in their heart.

John Murphy

Do they feel that sense of need to be independent that there's a drive there that they're that the justification for independence?

John Murphy

Might be stirring as a way to pull back from God and not trust him with everything, or I just asked that she would reveal that place.

John Murphy

Reveal that sense if that is present in their heart Lord and just bring that conviction so we can.

John Murphy

Pray about it.

John Murphy

O here's the prayer.

John Murphy

Haley father, I reject the lie that I can ever have the piece that you want for me by being independent of you, Lord, I declare the truth that it is your desire and your plan for me to be completely dependent on you to roll all the burdens of life on you.

John Murphy

File out to clear the truth at the greatest, the highest state of well being.

John Murphy

And peace is going to come from absolute dependence on you for to fill all of my divine need.

John Murphy

Lord, forgive me for any ways in which I have sought things in the world to replace you at.

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Replace your piece and replace your presence in my life.

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Lord, heal me of the ways in which I have succumbed to this lion have believed it in this struggles that it's created in my heart, Lord, and please give me the strength Father too.

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Resist the desire of my flesh to return to this law as a valid way of doing life and your Kingdom as one of your people.

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Just pray all these things in the name of your son.

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Jesus Amen, Amen.

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So that's the question, and that's the and that's the solution.

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The question is the poll for independence addressing it, making sure that it doesn't disrupt your relationship with the Lord, making sure that it doesn't talk you into taking back burdens you are already released and in the prayer there to try to.

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Just really to rely on God to help us minimize that Poland to strengthen his pole for greater healthy dependency.

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So I hope this was helpful.

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Thanks for listening.

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Hello, this is a Rock House Center podcast and I'm John Murphy.

And I'm Beth Murphy.

Today we're talking about another aspect of the take it back problem, and really probably something that's deeper and the at the root of that it's become really clear and a lot of times these things hit me first and I have to wrestle with them personally.

And then I really kind of get the feel for what the wrestle wrestling is about, and then it allows.

An opportunity to then start to share with others, so probably a couple of months ago.

I've been on a fairly.

Long track of praying God the God helped me trust him completely and I think maybe they may have come out of that.

But in the last about two months ago, it was clear that I was starting to feel some disease and some discomfort, and I kind of pressed into that.

And what was I feeling and what I was feeling was a sense.

Of loss, which was so interesting and kind of almost a grieving kind of thing that was going on about my relationship with the Lord and what was interesting is that I dug into it and in conversation with the Lord it became clear that what I was doing was grieving my loss of independence.

Such is so interesting, but it is.

It is it is the essence of why.

The desire to be independent and ultimately be free at some point.

Is really behind a lot of the take it back thing.

I think there's a.

There's an anticipation there's a there's an expectation that once we reach a certain level of spiritual maturity that there's going to be a level of independence with it that we will have internalized all the things we need to about God and our relationship with God will be the Energizer Bunny.

We'll be at peace and that will be on our purpose and we'll just be moving forward and it's going to be this sense of I'm kind of God in my universe.

But the but that goes completely against everything.

That has to do with a healthy, powerful relationship with God.

We have to understand that the greatest level of well being a human can have is the degree to which they're completely dependent on God for peace.

So there's no independence in that.

But there is a desire, probably stirred up by the flesh, to try to balance out somehow that I am going to maintain this freedom.

That's this freedom vision for myself as a spiritual person and the reality of is that that's the exact opposite of what's going on.

And I think that what we find when.

Our conversations sort of develop with clients who are having a trouble with taking back some of the burdens of life and therefore feeling the burden and coming in, needing a tune up, for instance that as a as I have talked to them over the last couple of.

I've come to see that this underlying tendency and desire is really feeding this, uh, a lot of us take it back.

Stuff, and so as.

John has had these realizations, and they spilled over and I've been having concurrent realizations with the Lord.

It occurred to me that I and I think probably most of us have a built in expectation that as you mature, you become more independent.

So as a child matures you become more independent from your parents and ultimately you are independent.

And that that's

That's the track.

Tantamount to that subtract, that's what maturity is, and so we've.

Without realizing it, probably I think most of us have smeared that over into our relationship with the Lord, and that as I mature spiritually I will need him less and less, and that's why we say things like, well, I've been a believer for X number of years.

I should know that I shouldn't still be doing this.

I should understand that I shouldn't still need to depend on that.

Why do I have to keep going back to God for this?

And you know, counselors we, in our role as counselors, if we're not careful, we'll fall into that same thing where the enemy is basically telling us, you know, you shouldn't have that.

Problem and you shouldn't need God in that area.

You know this is what you help clients with.

And so you should have arrived and so.

Right in there is a giant big old life that arriving would be.

Less dependent on God, separate from him and.

You know, I'm powered up in my own spiritual strength and righteousness, when in fact the exact opposite is what's true.

Greater spiritual maturity means greater and deeper dependence on the Lord.

Yeah, I think that the we have to look at the track of our existence and it starts off with being born into a situation where we're dependent on our parents for basic needs for their food and clothing and shelter and so.

4th and So what is supposed to be developing?

There is a level of dependency on a trustworthy person on a trustworthy entity, and so this is the opportunity to grow and trust and grow independency and be at peace about that.

And then as we're growing older and it doesn't always work out, a lot of families because people are imperfect humans.

They're not going to.

Do it the way God does it.

Once it's done necessarily.

But as we grow and have greater emotional dependency on, for instance, for worth and to be valued and to be loved, and those things that are really have to do with our heart and how we feel about ourselves.

We're supposed to grow if we you know we can't always.

In the family situation, but the design is for us to develop dependency on those things from our parents as well.

But then we move in up to the next level of dependency where we're supposed to be ultimately dependent on God.

So in each case we move off of our parents dependency for the basic.

Needs of life as a point at which they stop beating us.

They stop giving us milk.

We get our own milk.

Then we move into the emotional side of things.

Then we have and the other sort of more mature things like I need a car.

I need to go to school or depending we're depending we're depending.

We have peace onto that to the degree that we are able to depend.

But then that dependency shifts.

There's not like a OK.

I can get free and become independent.

There's no independent from a spiritual perspective segment of this journey.

The dependency is we're supposed to be growing a level of dependency and are in trust that was ultimately shifts on God for ultimate dependency and ultimate trust, so there was never a time.

In which we were supposed to be free and be independent.

From her perspective about what our spiritual needs are, divine needs of self worth and peace about life and assurance and purpose, and all those kinds of things.

So we are born into a track which is supposed to be building us towards dependency ultimately on God, which means that we and we are there are stages which we are no longer dependent on.

It's our parents for the basic stuff and then necessarily for the emotional stuff and then the community, community aspects.

Then we move on to a spouse and then so there's just a thing that we have to understand that the idea of being free is great for a country who wants to be, you know, to worship in the way they want to worship, which is how.

Why the US was founded?