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This is the Rock House Center podcast and I'm John.

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Murphy and I'm Beth Murphy.

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We're here to talk about depression today because it's prevalent, more prevalent now, probably than ever before, and we talk with people everyday at Rockhouse Center and want to emphasize the importance of a specific aspect of A cause of depression, which is that there could be many things.

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Going on that, people relate or connect in their past or their present to depression.

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But I can say that.

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In 100% of the cases at Rockhouse Center, there is always some UN forgiveness that is contributing strongly if not primarily and significantly as a source of depression.

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That certainly my testimony has a lot to do with why we're here.

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Today was the original breakthrough that I had in depression.

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I had depression for probably I don't know 25 or 30 years. By the time I started talking to a counselor about it.

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And as irritating as it was to hear it at the time.

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And it was very irritating to hear it.

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I will admit she determined that I had forgiveness issues and I had been hanging on to things for a lot of years.

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I call it the abusers of my.

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Past there was a lot of offense.

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There were a lot of people.

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I was angry at because of my life story did this through a wide range of sources I had.

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Received a fair amount of emotional or physical abuse, a lot of bullying at times in in my growing up years and all that stuff was still inside of me.

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All of it was inside of me in the form of a fence.

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And it was causing a lot of resentment and processing and anger.

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It would be very easy for me to get mad because I was already mad inside and didn't take much to set me off.

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And I was in a place where I was feeling very much like there was a heavy cloud on me.

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That I couldn't get free of, and so she suggested that I do forgiveness.

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Work and my first response was, like I said, was to get angry and just to reject the idea completely and I was probably weeks, maybe even months.

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Just in this conversation with God that I'm not going to forgive, why should I have to forgive and had a lot of justification for not forgiving?

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Why should I forgive them?

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What did they ever do for me?

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Why should I give them a blessing?

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Why should I let them off the hook?

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And why should I give up my desire to get even with them at some point in my life?

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You know all of those things were in their brewing and stirring, and they were a huge source of depression, which I didn't really get the connection at the time.

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But when I finally just out of obedience.

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And because I wanted to honor God, and I knew I was just so convicted that gut.

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That is what God wanted me to do.

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That conviction became very strong inside of me that it was about honoring God.

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It had really nothing to do with those people.

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There really wasn't going to be any justification that I was going to come up with in my own strength to let them go.

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That the only thing that was going to make a difference in what gave me the energy of the willingness to do it was God let me into the Kingdom.

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You know, I was a pretty rough out of control non believer slash atheist person and God let me into the Kingdom and I could appreciate when I came into the Kingdom that he had loved me through that whole thing and so I was just.

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Honoring him and was grateful to him, and so that's what gave me the energy to push through and resist all the things inside of me.

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That said, no, no, no, don't forget.

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Of them, I also noticed that there was an aspect of my life where I was blaming those people for the things that were wrong in my life and I was going to have to give up being able to dump on other people the consequences of my decisions and the things that I was doing and how I was feeling and the opportunity that I was not taking to deal with my issues.

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Instead, I would rather blame them for the condition I was in, and all of those things I had to deal with and I had to actually pull away from and reject those ideas.

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And the reason the only reason I was able to do that again was because this was all about ultimately honoring God.

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I remember just sitting down and having after making that decision, having this sort of very mercenary, obedient soldier like no real sense of forgiveness towards them.

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I mean, it's not like we have to work up all this grace or that we have to work up all this this empathy.

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For the people you forgive, it really has nothing to do with them.

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The scripture in Matthew is really clear that as we hang on to our UN, forgiveness were tormented and that torment was the thing that was was that seed of darkness that just grew and grew and grew throughout my life and had kept me in a place of depression.

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And what was so fascinating was that the prayer really wasn't that emotional.

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It wasn't that sort of moving, it was just.

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It just felt like.

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But what was?

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Really amazing was that over the next.

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60 to 90 days.

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30 years of depression came off of me that there was this incredible weight that was associated with all that offense and there was incredible internal torment around that, and it was.

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That was what was shutting me.

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Down, and it was that forgiveness that actually cut off the access.

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According to Scripture we are.

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We will be tormented if we.

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Are in a place and hang on to unforgiveness because Jesus gave forgiveness without any condition and that's expected of us the way that the Kingdom is set up is that there are consequences for hanging on to UN forgiveness and that's to feel tormented and that was what was underneath this huge cloud.

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And it was just an amazing experience that that was all I did and ended 30 years of depression.

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It was so moving that the thing that happened from that was man I want more of that if there are more ways in which my life can be better by honoring God in my life.

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I'm after that I want to figure out how that happened.

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And I also knew that there were a whole lot of people who were just like me who were believers, non believers.

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But they were stuck in in really a lot of emotional darkness and they needed freedom and it was clear that God has a pathway to bring you to peace and to get you out from under anxiety and out from under depression and forgiveness is one of those tools.

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It's just really important so.

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I just want to share that and help people understand that there is the opportunity to breakthrough a level, if not all of the of the depression that we may be suffering under as well as maybe the anxiety if we can honor God, identify who those people are and.

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Deal with the offense by forgiveness and not requiring anything of those people just like Jesus required nothing of us for his forgiveness.

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Amazingly, I watched all that unfold and was celebrating.

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Of course, that you did that forgiveness, you're really mad at those people and could see that you need to download that and just.

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Celebrated that you did it and then watched overtime that testimony unfold where the depression lifted.

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But the amazing part of it is that I did a quick little self examination and concluded that I didn't have any UN forgiveness because I couldn't identify with that because I wasn't consciously mad at anybody and I actually went.

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Two years beyond that, firmly.

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Solidly in the camp of believing that I didn't have any unforgiveness because I had gone the route of this person or that person may have disappointed me, hurt me, betrayed me, whatever, but my view is that I've moved on.

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That's water under the bridge.

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I've been a good Christian for a long time.

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I might be helping, or even ministering.

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To that person, befriending them not actively holding a grudge.

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So that means I don't have any UN forgiveness.

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That self examination incorrectly is also very common throughout our clients, and I think the entire Chris.

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In world, but what happened the way God so kindly brought the truth to me?

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Kind of removed the veil from my eyes was.

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Watching a video for a ministry, we were going to do and something that the man did and the teaching in that video allowed the door to open and I got the conviction of the Holy Spirit that I had someone to forgive and that resulted in a couple of weeks.

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10 days, two weeks of just talking to God asking who is it?

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I need to forgive?

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I can't.

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Think of anyone I legitimately cannot think of anybody.

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And I knew.

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So I knew I was being convicted.

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No clue who it was.

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So I decided.

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OK, I'm going.

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On a retreat.

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Turns out it was going to be 24 hour retreat when our children were little. It happened to be 4th of July weekend.

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You were home.

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You're going to keep our children, and so I'm setting off.

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I'm going to retreat 90 miles from here.

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Up in a nice little area in the mountains, I distinctly remember it because it I was sitting in traffic on the Interstate in Nashville, underneath the Fesslers lane.

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On sitting there motionless, snarling about the traffic and thinking, listen, why did I leave on Friday afternoon?

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The Millers traffic gotta get home.

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Saturday night I'm going to spend my whole retreat sitting in traffic.

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And I felt this prompting this sort of thought from God planted in my mind that, oh, I could talk to you while I'm in traffic.

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So I just started talking to God.

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Going well, Katie, you know why I'm here.

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I mean I can just start right now.

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I just want you to show me who I need to forgive, who is the person I need to forgive, what began was.

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A movie playing out in my life of selected scenes of my.

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Well, I from this House when I was a little girl that house going through all these different stages of life.

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At this point I would have been early 40s, so it was certainly not my whole life by any means.

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But selected scenes in memories each thought that came to mind.

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Each memory that came to mind I was crying about it.

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So it was.

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Helping me realize.

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Well, I guess that was hurtful.

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I guess that was painful.

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Then it started dawning on me that oh, I guess then if that was something that where I took offence or it was hurtful or or and I'm still remembering it all these years later.

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Oh, I guess that might mean I need to forgive them.

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So I came out of that movie in my head.

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Fortunately, the Lord helped me drive my car on autopilot in some way, but I came out of that.

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Going up the mountain to Swanee 90 miles from here.

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So that was quite a lengthy movie.

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Again selected things, and as I came out of it, I realized.

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So I see what's going on here all this time.

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I've thought there was one person I needed to forgive, and I've been pursuing you.

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God in that and what you're revealing to me is.

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I've never forgiven anybody because I didn't know what it was.

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I thought forgiveness was what you had done, John, that you know.

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Or some some anger or some offense or hurt, or resentment that you're aware of.

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But my own awareness of it made fooled me into believing that I didn't have any.

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And of course, that's just not the case.

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Everyone but Jesus has got some, and so God, in his kindness plucked those things that were specific that I needed to see.

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And that I needed to forgive.

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So I got to my retreat center, knowing I had my agenda.

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And so he had given me that, and I was just going to walk out, obediently honoring him in prayer.

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You know not talking to these people, I mean that I might not have seen the people for 10 years or they might be deceased.

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It didn't really matter.

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It's not about reconciling with them.

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It's not about interacting with them or condoning them or saying that.

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The offenses were somehow minimized at all.

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Jesus wasn't minimizing anything anyone did to him on the cross.

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He was just legitimately forgiving them and praying blessings over them.

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So I knew what my agenda was.

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I understood conceptually about forgiveness.

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I just thought I didn't have any UN forgiveness, so went through.

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That, and an interesting little tidbit on that was I got to this retreat center.

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This sort of Spartan, like little area with the sort of like a dorm with the central hallway and little doors.

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I had reserved a room with the 4th of July weekend so they had a name tag on my door, which was Beth Murphy Independence Day and I looked at that.

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And start crying again, laughing, crying.

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'cause I I knew I'd watched what had happened in your life.

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I knew that this was an Independence Day for me.

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We weren't far enough along and the whole understanding of how transformation works and how God changes our hearts and how we're transformed by the renewing of our minds.

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And you get freedom from things like depression.

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I just recognized I had.

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This God had pointed it out to me and I was having an Independence Day opportunity.

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Here I was going to get free of that unforgiveness.

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Well, I I think I recognize there's distance from God and there is.

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There's a problem.

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You got some kind of problem caused by what I didn't recognize until quite some time later.

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Is that my own depression lifted off again?

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In the sort of unawareness of life I didn't know I had depression.

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I had to have that pointed out to me and and I resisted that more than I resisted the UN forgiveness because I I felt like that was a.

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I don't I took offence at it like my thought was hey wait a minute I feel like I'm pretty successful in life.

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I don't feel like I've got depression.

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Me who are you talking to again?

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I just felt like that was sort of like that's a failing on my part and you're you're pointing out something wrong with me so I resisted that for a couple of years but finally had to cave in.

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To the gentle pressure of the acknowledgement of what the world calls depression and that I had those symptoms.

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What I came to realize as this all mix was occurring in kind of like concurrent tracks running along in my life was that the freedom from that came from.

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The lifting of the UN forgiveness and all of what was in me unbeknownst to me.

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So the fact that I didn't know it didn't negate the inner torment that was going on.

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It just meant I had no clue where it was coming from and in my case I really had very little clue that I had it in the 1st place, so God knew all that.

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He just walked me through the steps, getting the healing that needed to get started and getting the transformation path underway.

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And so now.

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All these years later, it's very easy for me to have empathy for every client that I see here, and whichever camp they fall into, whether it's more like your version or more like my version in terms of they're coming to grips with the fact that they're like everyone else in humanity and they haven't perfectly forgiven people and they have.

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Held on to hurt and defence offenses and people who feel like they they feel like they betrayed them or just constantly critical parents or parents that communicated whatever you do.

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It's never enough or whatever.

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Whatever that all the many different sources of hurts that we have in our lives.

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The opportunity is to acknowledge it.

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Just be obedient to God and walk out the forgiveness process and the fascinating thing is we see people that hear from a treatment center.

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They're coming here from a psych hospital on on discharge or decades of inner suffering.

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That they've had that have caused all kinds of behavior or problems, or relationship problems that are pretty acute or or chronic.

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The freedom that they experience just like you and I did is both massive.

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And beautiful subtle huge miraculous miraculous.

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Yeah, I mean, it really is when you consider the amount of history people have with suffering from depression and related kinds of things that actually can lift off and it can lift off from simply honoring God and doing what he's called us to do and recognize the principles that we are under.

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So there's the two versions me with more of aware of the people that I'm angry at from my past.

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And then there's the.

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I've dealt with that and they kind of put it wrap it up in a little box and put it on the shelf.

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Both of those.

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Tactics take a lot of energy out of you, keeping it up on the shelf and keeping it wrapped in the box and keeping that plate in the air is, you know, that's energy as well.

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That takes takes life out of you, and so does staying in the cycle of awareness and processing past defenses.

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That takes a lot of energy out of you and all these things just shut you down and we have so much energy.

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When we're tormented by these things, whether or knowingly or unknowingly, they're having the same ultimate effect, and I just agree that it is, it's a little more challenging for people who feel like they've dealt with things.

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For us to pull that box out of the shelf and to open that box up and to help them see that no.

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Actually, there's a pretty active offense, so wound and suffering is coming as a part of it.

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It's all part of the process of healing, so I think what we need to do here is declare an Independence Day.

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Now for anybody who's listening, don't let this pass now this moment right now can be the beginning.

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Of your Independence Day, or it can be the Independence Day.

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Everybody has got someone inside of them because you're human and you're not Jesus.

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And Jesus was the only one that made it through this life without taking offense.

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If you're wrestling with depression or anxiety or other deep emotional stuff.

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There is most likely, and we've never seen the two separate.

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There's always been a level of unforgiveness somewhere in the story of someone suffering.

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It's just always true.

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Always true if you're listening to this, because this is about depression or for any other reason I can tell you that somewhere in the conversation that you need to have with God or with us or however you want to have this.

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Conversation, but recognizing those offenses is going to be critical to your freedom, so we're going to declare Independence Day, and we're going to start off with a prayer.

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Just asking God to show you in my case you didn't have to show me a whole lot.

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In best case it was more God was a part of the revelation.

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But in all cases, we want to engage God, and I think what we want to do is first just pray a prayer of asking him to show us that one big boulder in our stream.

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Who is that person that I have the greatest defense from which I will receive the greatest freedom when I let it go?

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And so we're just going to pray that and then I'm gonna walk you through a forgiveness prayer.

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I can promise you something will happen.

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If you will engage this authentically.

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I mean, I speak with hundreds of people in the room.

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I will lead everybody in a freedom.

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This prayer, when I'm done almost every time.

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And I have people come up to me consistently saying this was the breakthrough something just lifted off of me while I was sitting in the audience.

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This is not a small thing.

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This is a big thing.

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Pentas Day is celebrated with big bangs and fireworks because it's a big deal.

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You can get free of the suffering of offense and it is simply obedience.

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It's doing what God has called us to do.

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It's basically replicating the character of Christ.

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And forgiveness.

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And so let's start.

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Oh, Heavenly Father, I just ask right now that you would reveal to me.

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Who it is in my life.

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That I have held onto offense for for any reason bored.

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I just ask that you would show that person to me.

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Make it clear to me and give me the energy.

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And the desire to please you.

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And responding obediently to do the forgiveness work?

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So if Heavenly Father just show me right now who that person is?

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In Jesus name.

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So everybody who's listening someone just came into their mind and a lot of people were listening.

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Someone else came in their mind afterwards and So what you need to do is do the first one.

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Usually it is that first one and then we start rationalizing that no, it's really someone else.

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That's a pretty common thing to do.

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So the first person that pops into your mind to forgive is who you need to forgive.

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And you will get a benefit from forgiving right now.

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So let's enter into a prayer forgiveness.

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O Heavenly Father, I forgive, say the person name.

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And I ask that you would forgive them.

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For any way in which their behaviors are an affront to your righteousness.

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Heavenly Father, I forgive them 4.

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List what it is they did.

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I forgive them for the way it made me feel.

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How did it make you feel?

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Think about that.

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I forgive them for the way that it caused me to suffer.

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How do you feel like it caused you to suffer?

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Heavenly Father asked you to invade their heart with blessing.

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I ask you to reveal how trustworthy you are.

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And how much you love them so that they can heal.

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Of any way in which they suffer.

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Heavenly Father, I asked that she would prosper them spiritually.

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That you would remind me of this forgiveness.

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And that you would show me how to love them the way you love them.

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I pray this in Jesus name.

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So I really appreciate everyone listening.

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I appreciate you that you're listening through our stories.

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I really hope that you prayed that prayer.

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It is the beginning of your.

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Freedom if you feel like that this has caused something you're wrestling with and you need some help to kind of really understand what's going on.

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We're obviously we're always here to be contacted and we're glad to help you, but.

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You can forgive on your own sitting wherever you're sitting, wherever you're driving whatever you're doing and I just want to encourage everybody.

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To be open to the Holy Spirit, open to God, leading them.

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When we feel offense to immediately respond in forgiveness, not because they deserve it because they don't but you know we didn't deserve forgiveness either.

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We don't want to do it because it honors God and how much he loves us and we want to honor him and be grateful and express our gratitude for his love for us through that obedience.

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Thank you for listening today.

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God bless you as you go down this forgiveness track and know that you can always call us or email us at rockhaus Center.

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We'd love.

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To talk to you.